Back in 2009, the guys in one of my classes were surprised and fascinated when I told them that I had been having an active conversation about Amiri Baraka with my former professor William J. Harris for ten years. The guys in subsequent years were just as impressed, and in fall 2026, when I let the young men know that Professor Harris and I have been talking about Baraka for 27 years, they'll likely be impressed as well.
Back in 2000, when I read the acknowledgements of Lorenzo Thomas's book Extraordinary Measures: Afrocentric Modernism and 20th-Century American Poetry, he noted that his work had benefited from “a lively conversation with Jerry W. Ward, Jr., that has continued for two decades.” At the time, the idea of a twenty-year conversation with someone about African American literary art and authors seemed almost unthinkable to me. But now, it feels normal.
A couple weeks ago, I was sharing some thoughts about Phillis Wheatley and Amiri Baraka with Professor Harris. I understand why the young men in my classes from the past several years find this decades-long exchanges so striking. My conversations about Baraka with Professor Harris have persisted longer than my current students have been alive.
The guys are also intrigued because they have had little experience with the idea of a Black man having an extended conversation about the arts with a senior Black man who is not a father or uncle. More than a few of them laugh and look skeptical when I tell them that I expect to talk with them for decades about ideas, the arts, and artists like Baraka as well.
For these reasons, they enjoy hearing about my intellectual conversation journey with Professor Harris. We first met in 1999 when I visited Penn State while considering graduate school. We started talking about Baraka then and continued those conversations during my time as a graduate student in his classes. Over time, our discussions expanded to include various other literary artists, the Black Arts Movement, and jazz.
After I earned my PhD and began my professional career as a teacher, we kept touching base and continuing those conversations about Baraka and those other topics. Eventually we added new subjects as well, such as new Black writers who had emerged and the work of visual artists.
Talking with Professor Harris about Baraka for nearly three decades has shown me how intellectual dialogue can stretch across an extended period of time.
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