tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post8864440325706159118..comments2024-03-19T18:51:58.496-05:00Comments on Cultural Front: Haley Reading Group: Barry Yeoman’s "Billions to None"H. Rambsyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16862209871277442972noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-19575322933595033182017-12-14T15:55:48.021-06:002017-12-14T15:55:48.021-06:00People are trying to bring back animals that are a...People are trying to bring back animals that are already extinct. In my opinion if it’s gone , let it at least Rest In Peace. On page 303, it says that "he hopes animals brought back from extinction-not just birds but eventually also big creatures like woolly mammoths-will draw the public to zoos in droves". Being that they’re attempting to bring animals back as an attraction instead of a beauty of nature, it is wrong. The animals in the woolly mammoth time era will not be able to survive in outdoor conditions due to the difference of the climate, and they will practically be man made lab babies that will be sick or in danger if exposed to almost anything. This is not right, which it seems us humans can never do dgeeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607558996438592389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-28151536064718055712017-12-05T01:14:44.889-06:002017-12-05T01:14:44.889-06:00This reading was one that I couldn't exactly g...This reading was one that I couldn't exactly get on board with. The thought of de-extinction just doesn't make sense to me especially since they are creating a hybrid bird similar to the passenger pigeon. One of the first things that popped in my head when I started reading this was that its pretty much like throwing a whole new species in the mix and that can mess up the balance of the ecosystem. Later in my reading I saw that others had the same view. "The ecosystem has moved on...If you put the organism back in, it could be disruptive to a new dynamic equilibrium. (p.303)" I do agree that how they became extinct isn't really natural selection, but I think that trying to undo the mess we made will only make things worse.Kiana Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-65089647526430702732017-12-04T18:57:53.503-06:002017-12-04T18:57:53.503-06:00This article really showed me how dangerous mankin...This article really showed me how dangerous mankind could be. As humans, without any natural defense, unlike clawed, beaked, poison spiked, etc animals, we still find a way to be the most dangerous species on this planet. A species going from billions in a flock to extinct in half a century is a horrifying thing to see. The backwards logic stated in the beginning saying "No amount of exploitation can rid of a species so abundant" stuck with me the entire article. Mankind's most dangerous weapon truly is ignorance. This article hit me pretty hard.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06085383848637043805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-40980002652770097072017-12-04T17:51:09.629-06:002017-12-04T17:51:09.629-06:00Something that really stood out to me in this read...Something that really stood out to me in this reading is on page 300 when it talks about the "professionals and amateurs together out-flocked their quarry with brute force." This stood out to me so much because the way that they got rid of the birds was very aggressive even and didn't really seem necessary. They go on to say that while these birds migrating together is a great thing it also can come back to hurt them like in this situation because that makes them more vulnerable. <br />On page 302 it begins to talk about how there are efforts going on to bring this type of pigeon back from extinction. It was described that they would use molecular biology to bring the animals back. I think that it's very interesting to see how far our science has come an dhow it might be possible to bring back animals that were extinct Kelsey McNeilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-9613779767354667902017-12-04T17:31:09.807-06:002017-12-04T17:31:09.807-06:00Page 303 says, "They doubt the birds could su...Page 303 says, "They doubt the birds could survive without the enormous flocks of the 19th century. And they question Novak's belief that the forests could safely absorb the reintroduction." This greatly concerns me. Yes, maybe it's possible to bring back passenger pigeons, but do the benefits outweigh the risks? Isn't it only responsible to be sure of the answers to these questions before going ahead with a de-extinction attempt? It seems risky to me that there is a plan in place to bring back the passenger pigeon without a long term study done to see the possible environmental effects that it could possibly have.Jada Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-20389827898440786812017-12-04T11:05:00.248-06:002017-12-04T11:05:00.248-06:00After reading the article, I am concerned that is ...After reading the article, I am concerned that is a possibility that scientists will risk causing changes in ecosystems today by bringing the bird back, just for humans to allow them to go extinct again. I feel this way because of how the author described the hateful acts that humans had towards the birds on page 300. Also, there isn't a huge amount of awareness on the topic, which means that people could do things the harm the species either unknowingly, or just because they don't know how rare they are. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12429691590114894234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-54669717784422033372017-12-04T00:52:24.718-06:002017-12-04T00:52:24.718-06:00Greenberg notes “The industry that paid people to ...Greenberg notes “The industry that paid people to kill these birds said, ‘If you restrict the killing, people will lose their jobs,’ the very same things you hear today.” Yeoman wrote, “For the rest of us, though, it could serve as a call to take responsibility for how our personal and collective actions affect wildlife and climate.” Both these quotes show both sides to this issue. There’s also two sides to every problem and both sides have probable reason. As I was reading I saw how these birds affected the people that were being directly affected, but would they be affected if they didn’t cause the birds to migrate and find other homes. If humans didn’t personally affect wildlife and climate with their actions, maybe none of this would have happened. Things like pollution and deforestation cause things like this to happens. We have to be more aware of how we are affecting the environment because our actions have negative consequences on the world around us.Jayla Piercehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10256711206174697388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-10798506589134027332017-12-03T21:31:18.985-06:002017-12-03T21:31:18.985-06:00I think bringing back the passenger pigeon, jus t ...I think bringing back the passenger pigeon, jus t for the sake of bringing back the bird isn't too bad of an idea. Of course, that would be hard and maybe even impossible, but the idea of recreating a population of a once thriving animal is never a bad idea. Although, bringing it back for the intention of using it for anything else. I don't know exactly the whole significance of the bird and why they believe they should try to de-extinct it because there are already a lot of birds, which I guess who be the most alarming or concerning part of the passage. Nothing in the passage itself but just the fact that someone thinks they should bring back a species of bird when there are already enough birds in my opinion. It also talked about wanting to bring back bigger species of animals one day, which is completely terrifying to me considering eggs left from the dinosaur age were found AND full of embroys. I think all extinct animals, that are extinct due ot natural reason and not humans, do not need to be de-extincted. Breonna Robertsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-5217155391372787902017-12-03T19:50:19.166-06:002017-12-03T19:50:19.166-06:00When reading Yeoman's article I really thought...When reading Yeoman's article I really thought about how much humans like control. I do not believe that we should play God and instead should focus more on our own lives. I think the unpredictability of the world we live in is what makes it beautiful. To tamper with it would be to harm the true identity of the earth. But at the same time I do not believe that things are better left completely in touched. I think we have the ability to make a difference and help species out for a reason. The real question is how much is too much.Stella Nguepnangnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-34165248099200542712017-12-03T09:24:59.474-06:002017-12-03T09:24:59.474-06:00In reading this I was brought in by the fact that ...In reading this I was brought in by the fact that they are attempting to bring back the passenger pigeon. "Revive and Restore is attempting something far more ambitious and controversial: using genetics to bring the bird back. (298)" This is something that could help the environment a lot if successful in other cases yet it is also considered "playing god" among other cultures and beliefs. Kayla Summynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-82080614645981034842017-12-02T14:27:24.887-06:002017-12-02T14:27:24.887-06:00A concerning statement stood out to me while readi...A concerning statement stood out to me while reading this article. On page 303, it explains the Novak hopes to bring back multiple types of extinct animals; "He hopes animals brought back from extinction-not just birds but eventually, also, big creatures like woolly mammoths...". That is not natural and could mess up the balance of the ecosystem. Regardless, if humans are to blame or not, animals are suppose to die off; it's apart of evolution. Recreating animals does not seem like a smart idea and I'm skeptical that they would be able to live in the conditions on the world today. What is the need for a woolly mammoth in today's time, what will it eat, where will it live? Bringing back extinct animals will dissemblance the ecosystem and could cause for some unforeseen problems.Christen Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10114543860308258118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-9183241334198679192017-12-02T13:23:43.873-06:002017-12-02T13:23:43.873-06:00This article is so interesting because of the many...This article is so interesting because of the many ethic dilemmas surrounding the topic. The article talks about De-Extinction which has many problems itself. Humans want to bring back certain species but only to satisfy human needs. It's also wrong to play with life and death, as we were not made to play God's role. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09230563939773664728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-30317880624829078992017-12-02T09:50:14.188-06:002017-12-02T09:50:14.188-06:00One thing that stood out to me was whether or not ...One thing that stood out to me was whether or not the new bird could really be called a passenger pigeon or not. Ben Novak said, "...if it looks and acts like a passenger pigeon, the natural historians arc going to say 'This is Estopistes migratorius.'" I do not believe it could be called a passenger pigeon due to the fact that it is not from the origainal lineage of the pecies, therefore it will not truly be related to them.<br />-Kevin CoxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-76809423987139237322017-12-01T23:19:43.224-06:002017-12-01T23:19:43.224-06:00The most concerning part of the article is that re...The most concerning part of the article is that reintroducing extinct species could cause more problems than it may solve. On page 303 Yeoman talks about how bringing back some species could disrupt the environment that has already moved on. This makes me wonder if we should even try to bring back extinct species as it could cause problems. Also I think that it is way more important that we keep living species from going extinct, rather than bringing back already extinct species. Marley McCoynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-48170759974311864162017-12-01T23:15:04.432-06:002017-12-01T23:15:04.432-06:00One concern I had in this article is on page 303, ...One concern I had in this article is on page 303, He hopes animals brought back from extinction- not just birds but eventually also big creatures like woolly mammoths will draw the public to zoos in droves, generating revenues that can be used to protect wildlife. " De-extinction can get the public interested in conservation in a way that the last forty years of doom and gloom has beaten out of them," he says. I do not understand why they would bring back an animal that has died out. Natural selection has chosen that this species of animal is not fit enough to live on this earth. If they begin to pick and choose what animals stay on this earth then the earths ecosystems will negative outcomes. We must not mess with the natural ecosystem that we have. Taija Cooknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-43902314135410214222017-12-01T23:00:26.146-06:002017-12-01T23:00:26.146-06:00After reading this article many interesting subjec...After reading this article many interesting subjects appeared to me. Of these, the most important would be the reoccurrence of this animal would not be able to survive in the current environment. “Ecosystems has moved on." was stated on page 303. This is important because it has been too long since this organism has dissapeared. <br />-Devin Ellis-Martin Devin Ellis-Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06992473326610425696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-826710145056030882017-12-01T22:51:10.318-06:002017-12-01T22:51:10.318-06:00Barry Yeoman's "From Billions to None&quo...Barry Yeoman's "From Billions to None", can be summed up as bird conservation. He goes into details about how certain birds, such as passenger pigeons, have gone extinct. According to page 300, they were hunted relentlessly and had brutal tactics used against them. One such tactic was poison. People felt so strongly about their extinction that they started a group to revive extinct animals. However they were met with skepticism by other experts who said, "The ecosystem has moved on" (Barry Yeoman 303). They are in fact correct in that regard but the other side is fighting for it regardless. Many people feel strongly about extinct animals and this highlights those feelings towards birds. Some people wish to see the flock containing millions of birds blackout out the sky. But, the people who feel like attempting this manipulation will contain to push back. It is important to prevent extinction and revive and restore might be a solution.<br /><br />-Rodney ClarkRodney Clarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-22950090951809415562017-12-01T22:38:51.261-06:002017-12-01T22:38:51.261-06:00I actually had no idea that this species of bird e...I actually had no idea that this species of bird ever existed. You can relate to the extinction to what's going on with the climate right now. the birds became extinct because no one thought that they could ever be harmed because of their size. Global warming is a huge problem and many people think that nothing could ever change the earth because of how big it is or how slow it's happening. I also wanted to know if the benefits of having the birds outweighs the negatives because i could see mostly problems stemming form having such a massive flock of birds around. Avant Hallnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-56232833556551764132017-12-01T20:43:40.493-06:002017-12-01T20:43:40.493-06:00One message from Barry Yeoman's "Billions...One message from Barry Yeoman's "Billions to None" that struck out to me right away was around pages 298-303 when it mentions that the lack of pigeon's staying together was due to them all being separated rather than flocking and how certain practices they could've done could've decreased the extinction rate. This message stands out to me in the way that if humans, as silly as this sounds, took note of what these animals were doing/certain practices, our human life on Earth could be more efficient (average age of death would be higher)....even though we will all eventually become extinct from this planet anyway.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09107309045935084427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-22123172800047277292017-12-01T20:36:41.585-06:002017-12-01T20:36:41.585-06:00I don’t think humans should play creator. The huma...I don’t think humans should play creator. The human species lead to the extinction of the carry pigeons. On page 303 it said bringing back the pigeons would upset the balance <br />nature establish in unpredictable ways. Although it is sad that the pigeons are gone because of human destructive nature I feel that they should stay gone. <br /><br />Chidera Onyeizeh Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16742152770708317286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-896703727878781242017-12-01T20:17:23.886-06:002017-12-01T20:17:23.886-06:00It is shocking to realize that it's possible f...It is shocking to realize that it's possible for a species with a very high population to suffer from extinction. I liked how the a comparison was made to how others think about climate change and endangering species. It's also cool to think about genetic manipulation as a way to sort of bring back the pigeon population. But it is gonna take more than amazing zoos to convince many people to support the protection of wildlife. Youssef Hassannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-60918370220583283862017-12-01T19:27:58.538-06:002017-12-01T19:27:58.538-06:00Yeoman’s article was in fact very interesting! It ...Yeoman’s article was in fact very interesting! It was concerning how bringing back certain species could bring up certain implications with the environment. By bringing back species we must be conscious of the food web and showing how it will disorient the food web and can possibly lead to the lessening of a species. One point that really stood with me was how he stated that the main concern would be to preserve the environment at all costs. This is important to me because I’m one of those individuals who cares for he environment. Overall. It was an interesting reading and very informative.James Beverly IIIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11598775085142971078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-44450643699449135182017-12-01T19:12:37.162-06:002017-12-01T19:12:37.162-06:00From Billions to None had plenty of points for the...From Billions to None had plenty of points for the problems of human participation in nature. One point that stood out to me was the fact that a big percentage of other species of animal in the world are affected by humans now and us doing further tampering can jeopardize even more of the ecosystem. On page 304, "an estimated 25 percent of mammals, 41 percent of amphibians, and 13 percent of birds are threatened", all thanks to humans. That makes you really wonder if letting humans do yet another thing to nature is a good idea.<br />-Kameryn SabinoAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576634648752186644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-64656646709613970702017-12-01T18:21:25.566-06:002017-12-01T18:21:25.566-06:00"The extinction was part of the motivation fo..."The extinction was part of the motivation for the birth of modern twentieth-century conservation" (pg. 301) I believe that if the de-extiction of the passenger pigeon, were to happen now the species would be able survive without the threat of humans causing their extinction again. this is due to the conservation laws that have been but in place since their extinction. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10585950219687136614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-161690780544063382017-12-01T18:14:37.654-06:002017-12-01T18:14:37.654-06:00I was baffled at the idea of de-extinction when I ...I was baffled at the idea of de-extinction when I first read the article. It is sad to think that people would hunt an animal to its extinction. However, it seems unnatural to bring an extinct animal back to life, the passage states "Other experts weren't so sanguine. They question whether the hybrid animal would really be called a passenger pigeon." (303). The Revive and Restore project as well as the whole de-extinction reminded me a bit of Frankenstein. The extinction was unfortunate but once something is dead, it is gone. This may effect the environment even more and end up becoming a larger problem. While it may seem like an interesting idea, putting de-extinction into place may be dangerous. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13293046509653573195noreply@blogger.com