tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post2457731326764653073..comments2024-03-14T18:37:51.390-05:00Comments on Cultural Front: Haley Reading Group: Gaurav Raj Telhan's “Begin Cutting"H. Rambsyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16862209871277442972noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-68927566346225347582018-05-05T16:16:20.737-05:002018-05-05T16:16:20.737-05:00"The top of her skull, which we had removed w..."The top of her skull, which we had removed with a hammer and chisel...save what we could" (266). This line stood out to me because of its vivid descriptiveness. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05425549821937085718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-11164539351497101932018-05-04T13:02:42.952-05:002018-05-04T13:02:42.952-05:00Concerning the passage as a whole, what I found th...Concerning the passage as a whole, what I found the most interest in was that Raj kept relating the cadaver infront of him to different ideas. He related the cadaver to History on pages 262-263, to his personal life where he had a flash back before class as he was standing over Stella's shaven body (pg. 263). The cadaver also made him think about fairy tails such as Dr. Frankenstein (pg. 267).Xavier Morrison-Wallacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-54575082161294270302018-05-04T09:40:50.848-05:002018-05-04T09:40:50.848-05:00One aspect that caught my attention was the way th...One aspect that caught my attention was the way that he described his cadaver's body in such great detail and how he started to think about his own body and how it was temporary. He paid attention to everything from her scalp to her eyebrows to her face structure and etc.He stated how anxious he felt. I started to think about if I was in his situation. Would I be comfortable? It made me think about how mentally strong people really in his field really have to be. They have to see a lot of dead bodies.I personally couldn't do it. I can barely look at a body at a funeral. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08986737293856236260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-37676014289479207612018-04-30T09:09:36.762-05:002018-04-30T09:09:36.762-05:00One aspect of the article that was noteworthy came...One aspect of the article that was noteworthy came from pg. 264 when Raj tried to address morality before he begins dissection. He said that the relationship they cultivate with the body would shape their relationship with future patients. I think this is important to understand because if they can understand that even in death this person is still human, then they will hopefully still treat the body with respect and understand the relationship going forward.<br /><br />~Tashawna N.Tashawna N.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-54434790122277858052018-04-27T08:17:08.654-05:002018-04-27T08:17:08.654-05:00What stood out to me was on page 264, when Raj say...What stood out to me was on page 264, when Raj says, "This cadaver is a blueprint...for my future. It's a map of...more than just these organs, but a guide to the bodies of the patients...the living ones we'll see one day." This really caught my attention because he's making it clear that Stella's body is going to waste, that this experience will shape how they interact with patients in the future.Dakarai P.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-35244049606501046272018-04-25T11:24:09.035-05:002018-04-25T11:24:09.035-05:00The one aspect of the article that caught my atten...The one aspect of the article that caught my attention was the fact that they were using the same razor on all of the deceased people. “Caught between its blades were the hairs of neighboring cadavers, already shaved”(262). This passage was noteworthy to because it is gross. Why can’t they get their own razors? That’s not even sanitary. Why take all of the other sanitary precautions such as keeping them apart and zipped up if they’ll be shaved with the same razor. Lyric B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-27060585392652233102018-04-23T13:31:10.599-05:002018-04-23T13:31:10.599-05:00One part that I found the most interesting was on ...One part that I found the most interesting was on page 261 the author says ,"was she a willing donor? A stranger with no final resting ground? Was she a practical woman? An idealist? Did she die alone?” These questions are in attempt to humanize someone who is no longer a being. Her body was dismantled and it became evident that these practices may be wrong, but we must do so in the name of science, education, and medicine. Shardai J-HAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-26100745492860353052018-04-15T18:04:29.785-05:002018-04-15T18:04:29.785-05:00I’d have to say two things that caught my attentio...I’d have to say two things that caught my attention about the examination of the cadaver were the amount of detail he describes everything in. From the amount of hair the woman had to how much translucent her scalp was. That amount of detail was almost scary when reading because you can visualize that. The other thing I found interesting was they way he interprets the whole situation. On page 261 he talks about how “she was a tool, then, to unearth knowledge. A tool that the state reserves the right to discard if deemed unacceptable, like a dull knife or crooked plane.” Having this outlook when you’re in his field is kind of a weird way to look at things I feel like. <br /><br />De’Abrion Joyner<br />De'Abrion Joynerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09529731172818948538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-13149075590936665612018-04-10T10:38:02.044-05:002018-04-10T10:38:02.044-05:00"Her brain rested in a two-gallon plastic buc..."Her brain rested in a two-gallon plastic bucket on the floor. We could now study her eyes from the inside of her hollow skull," states Raj on page 266. The entire passage has this haunting nonchalance. The thought of seen another human being's brain in a bucket... ON THE FLOOR... is too wild a thought, yet Raj is so removed. I suppose this ability to disconnect is what makes medical professions cut-out for their prospective fields. The human body is no longer a person, but a learning tool; I'm not sure I could ever desensitize myself to see it as Raj and so many others do.Breanna B.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-18313608788573450842018-04-07T11:19:38.472-05:002018-04-07T11:19:38.472-05:00One aspect of examining the cadaver that caught my...One aspect of examining the cadaver that caught my attention was the attempts to portray the human body as an object in order to cope psychologically. An example of this is on page 266, “…a fine ash was thrown up by the cutting—human sawdust”. For Raj, cutting the body was the most difficult task mentally. Calling it human sawdust was a powerful way to invoke imagery. People are unaffected by sawing a piece of wood and seeing sawdust; however, when the wood is a human body, there is a mental obstacle of sympathy to overcome. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06926647560294551516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-52752605689958578142018-04-06T21:46:17.822-05:002018-04-06T21:46:17.822-05:00The article was very interesting. On page 260, the...The article was very interesting. On page 260, the author says that "twelve years have passed since that first day.....the image of that anonymous woman beneath the polyurethane veil still grips me." This sent a chill through my body and I could actually visualize what the author was saying. I think that this section shows that Gaurav has second thoughts about his experiences with dead bodies. Moreover, it shows a slight dislike towards his choices but his ability to overcome fear is so great, making him appear to be a good doctor.<br /><br /><br />-Josh J.Joshua Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16487824883643081031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-69432690409930005352018-04-06T15:42:29.803-05:002018-04-06T15:42:29.803-05:00I found this article very interesting, specificall...I found this article very interesting, specifically because I am a biology major considering applying for medical school. One interesting part that stuck out to me was " Maybe, like the form, Stella could be seen as an "instrument" -her right of person hood legally revoked and her body made a vehicle...". This point of view, although very dehumanizing, seems very true and almost scary. In one sense, it is nice for scientists to have access to human bodies for study. However, although there is no soul in that body, it seems wrong to just use it as if it were some experience that is needed to pass a medical school course.Alexis Acoffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-6247020473544523552018-04-06T11:41:05.525-05:002018-04-06T11:41:05.525-05:00The comment, "Twelve years have passed since ...The comment, "Twelve years have passed since that first day in the anatomy lab, and the image of that anonymous woman beneath the polyurethane veil still grips me" (260). This strikes me because it shows that Gaurav cared and to me makes me believe he'll be a better doctor because of it. I feel like a lot of times doctors can distance themselves from the situation at hand to not let their emotions effect their job but at the same time I believe that the emotion is what makes you do your job well. Gaurav still holding the thoughts and experiences from seeing his first cadaver 12 years later shows me he cared then and that he'll care now.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16671715338660471909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-66294469445938285952018-04-02T15:58:46.616-05:002018-04-02T15:58:46.616-05:00One aspect of the passage that caught my attention...One aspect of the passage that caught my attention was how detailed the authored was. For example, in the line“He shut off the power and gripped Stella’s split face with his hands. Back and forth, he torqued her skull until it was freed from the blade" (267). The way they describe it is very grotesque and detailed and I couldn't imagine being able to talk about it, let alone write about it. <br /><br />Fiona HillFiona Hillnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-61087841995863436312018-04-02T13:28:38.288-05:002018-04-02T13:28:38.288-05:00The passage that caught my attention, and stuck wi...The passage that caught my attention, and stuck with me, was the quote where Gaurav talks about his instructor during the autopsy. It reads, "His crass humor was strangely alleviating. Distancing ourselves from the mass of flesh on the table (some might say dehumanizing it) made what came next easier" (Raj 262). When I was in high school, I was able to visit NIU's cadaver lab and I remember thinking that this would be my opportunity to really decide if I wanted to pursue medical school. In the past, I loved dissections, but these were people and their lives held meaning and weight - they were human, like me. So, I can understand the need for a joke - the weight of the situation is heavy.<br />This being said, I already knew that doctors had to have an emotional switch and this quote made my heart pang with understanding and but it made my stomach lurch with disgust. I wouldn't be upset about it, from a scientific point of view. But thinking about this in relation to my grandmother, who is donating her body, makes me sick. Cheniya A.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-50198785434774470092018-03-27T13:30:37.897-05:002018-03-27T13:30:37.897-05:00On page 266 there is a phrase that reads "hum...On page 266 there is a phrase that reads "human sawdust." This is something that I have never thought about before and that Raj thought about a lot. Human sawdust is a phrase that people should never have to think about, because it sounds so inhumane. It sounds like something a sadistic serial killer fantasizes about. Raj explained the sawing of Stella's skull in so much detail when he could have just said the latter and been done with it. Raj understood that Stella had a life at one point and had a beating heart and I think that would be so hard to take her apart piece by piece as if she was a puzzle. Kelsey Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-69648020978112410662018-03-27T13:06:02.769-05:002018-03-27T13:06:02.769-05:00“Not much was left of Stella now. Her abdomen had ...“Not much was left of Stella now. Her abdomen had been eviscerated, emptied of bowels, kidneys, stomach, spleen, gallbladder, pancreas and liver. Her chest wall had been cracked open to get at her heart and lungs… her brain rested in a two-gallon plastic bucket on the floor” (Page 266) This caught my attention because of how specific it was and just how much her body was chopped up. I have never had anything like this described to me and after reading this I can't say I ever want it described to me again.<br /><br />-Marcus UnderwoodAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-62700492211441037172018-03-27T10:26:11.580-05:002018-03-27T10:26:11.580-05:00When the text read "His crass humor was stran...When the text read "His crass humor was strangely alleviating. Distancing ourselves from the mass of flesh on the table (some may say dehumanizing it) made what came next easier" (262). The word dehumanizing has such a negative connotation but I think in this case it made sense. I think getting too emotionally involved with the life of the cadaver (as Telhan did) would cause some type of emotional stress/tension on a person. That is evident because this particular cadaver did have a major impact on him as he stated he remembers it even 12 years later. I think this article really showed what life is for medical students and it takes special kind of individuals to perform these types of jobs.JaLeah McKinneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03586180415975994273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-54235803827933048912018-03-27T07:24:40.493-05:002018-03-27T07:24:40.493-05:00Page 260, "Twelve years have passed since tha...Page 260, "Twelve years have passed since that first day in the anatomy lab, and the image of that anonymous woman beneath the polyurethane veil still grips me," is what got to me the most. Just the fact that something that occured so long ago still had a grip on him is crazy but also not suprising. I do not think I would be able to forget something like a cadavar either. It is unfortunate though, that that instance hss such an impact on him and all the way throughout his career as well. I still remember when I dissected a pig in high school, and that wss enough for me personally. I could not imagine it being the human body instead.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10440153837015220730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-34640040144434020582018-03-27T01:23:36.186-05:002018-03-27T01:23:36.186-05:00The part of the article that stood out the most to...The part of the article that stood out the most to me was this part here: “Not much was left of Stella now. Her abdomen had been eviscerated, emptied of bowels, kidneys, stomach, spleen, gallbladder, pancreas and liver…" (p. 266). There was many parts where the article was very graphic and hard to imagine because of the gory details, but it really depicts exactly what a medical student or professional would have to go through when examining a cadaver. I know I couldn’t do it, so I respect those who have the skill set and composure to experience something like that.<br /><br />~ Marcus B.Marcus B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01130286059320334822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-54059180720624424612018-03-26T22:31:56.018-05:002018-03-26T22:31:56.018-05:00“His humor was strangely alleviating. Distancing o...“His humor was strangely alleviating. Distancing ourselves from the mass of flesh on the table (some might say dehumanizing it) made what came next easier” (Page 262). This article was slightly disturbing to me because it made me realize the lengths people have to go to in order to do certain jobs while also caring for their mental health. I couldn’t imagine having to cut into bodies everyday for a living, and the damage it could do to one’s psychological state. Kathryn Hatcheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12597119476894352983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-19150735078402077602018-03-26T21:06:10.489-05:002018-03-26T21:06:10.489-05:00The most memorable part of this chapter for me sta...The most memorable part of this chapter for me starts on page 266. The passage starts with "Not much was left of Stella now..." and continues on until "Stella spit fire."The whole passage was filled with detail and captivated my attention until I was done reading it. This brought me back to each time I had to do a dissection for classes in both high school and college.It's took me back to those moments and reminded me of how I felt both excited yet nervous to be handling the body of something. It reminded me of how careful I tried to be and how I was so afraid to do something wrong even though the things being dissected were no longer living.Brianna Reednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-52380014690480469952018-03-26T16:44:43.883-05:002018-03-26T16:44:43.883-05:00One aspect of examining the cadaver that caught my...One aspect of examining the cadaver that caught my attention was how they distance themselves from the cadaver. I can only imagine how hard it is to perform an autopsy on someone who once was living and now they are just another corpse. However, I’m sure that the more they do it, the easier it becomes to deal with. <br />-Carlie Bibbs<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13727922972591053716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-56936978596207174332018-03-26T11:13:38.164-05:002018-03-26T11:13:38.164-05:00one page 261 where it says "was she a willing...one page 261 where it says "was she a willing donor? A stranger with no final resting ground?was she a practical woman? An idealist? Did she die alone?" caught my attention because I donating your body was a choice you made. I did not realize that someone could make that decision for you if you had no where to go. Also it is not always realized that each cadaver has a story. Maya Searcyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08225623267149919269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-595859379914711075.post-8841369748005691552018-03-25T23:45:41.415-05:002018-03-25T23:45:41.415-05:00What caught my attention most was on page 266 when...What caught my attention most was on page 266 when he was describing Stella, it was weird to know that he's watching it all happen and is able to cope with it and talk about it.<br />Erica K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08878262590421255548noreply@blogger.com